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    Hello guys and gals, I'am considering the pruchase of a pretty well built trail rig. But I'm not sure where, when, how long, the trail rides are. Are they a group activity, a all weekend ride, the cost for becomming a member, ect.... I live in Newark, thats Ohio of coarse, and want to get more info as far as where the trails are. What is the level of knowledge that will be needed to drive the trails. Are these events family oriented? I want to bring the wife and 2 kids ages 6 and 11 as passangers. The rig I'am considering has an exterior cage and 5 point harness for all occupants. Are they bring your food, drinks, and tents? or just a all day thing. i just don't want to invest in a hobbie that will not work for us. So if someone could send info ASAP that would be great as I am making a decision this week. Thanks Yall!

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    Look in the announcments thread at the top of page, it has meeting info, where and when. Club dues are 35.00 first year, 25.00 each year after that (I think ). 125.00 for a lifetime membership. Most rides are 1 day, we do weekend`ers 2 or three times a year. Usually camp at nearby state parks. The whole family is welcome. No drinking on the trail is permitted. We all bring food, rides last all day and sometimes into the night. We never leave anyone in the woods. Most rides are within 1 to 2hrs of columbus. We always have a good time and its a great bunch of people.
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    also keep in mind the rig should be street legal, tags and insurance, etc.

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    Families are welcome to all of the club events. I regulary bring my 6 y.o. son to the milder runs, club meetings, and the "picnics". There were a bunch of kids in our group during the novice ride this year and usually a group at the picnics. This club is pretty civilized and a good group of people.

    Typical club rides have people meeting around 9 a.m. and getting off the trail late afternoon to early evening, with several places having the option to bug out early if needed. As mentioned we do have a few official 2 day rides every year but you always have the option to only run one day or camp. Sometimes we camp either the night before or after a ride just to sit around the campfire and enjoy some adult beverages (also as said above, no alcohol on the trail).

    I would recommend coming to a meeting or two and talk with some of the people in person and the novice rides are always a good place to start. Once/If you join the club the picnics are also a great place to get acquainted. It sounds like you are very new to the off-road scene so I would highly recommend doing the above before diving into the sport and buying a rig.

    Regarding the rig, again assuming you are new to the sport you should take advantage of the experience of this club to provide advice about it. The reason I say this is there have been quite a few peole over the years have what they think is a well built rig but turns out to be cobbled together basket-case or just not built right for the trails around here. The best story I have was several years ago was a guy bought what he thought was a really hardcore rig that was "built" by a mechanic at an off-road shop. The thing lasted about 300 yards into the trail and just about fell apart. It is important that the rig be street legal as most trails are technically township roads and almost every place requires driving on paved roads to, between, and from the actual trails. With that said, give us some info on the rig you are looking at.

    For knowledge on the trail, you just need to listen to the guys in the club. If you need help or advice just ask. I've never seen anybody in the club get somebody in a bad situation by getting them to do something they shouldn't. My best advice would be to stay convervative until you get a feel for the rig.

    Bring lunch, snacks, and pop/water on the trail because there ain't no McDonalds around. If camping at least bring the basics, though typically the camping spots are pretty close to civilization.
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    Thanks Brad, The rig I'm looking at is a 88 Samuria. It has a 4.3 chevy fuel injected V6, and 700R4 trans, Nissan transfercase, toyota Landcruiser axles. Its has trutrac locker in the front and a spool in the back, 4.10 gears, 36" swampers YJ leaf springs custom shackles and dropout boxes. It has Kirkery Racing bucket seats with 5 point harness's front and Kirkey kids size buckets in the back with 5 point harness's as well. It has an external roll cage, custom bumpers, and a 18,000 lb warn winch. it is street legal, (titled) with all working lights, wipers, horn, and even an emergency brake!. Heater is hooked up and so on. I would trailer it though to and from home for sure. I'am mechanicaly incline as Ive raced and managed dirt modified's for several years. I have truck pulled for many years building my own 700hp small blocks, suspension, etc... So Ive seen my share of lets say rat nest, cobbled up, not such a good idea projects. And this one seems to be done pretty good. The only thing that I have no clue about is the nissan transfer and the landcrusier axles. To me that sound like week china crap???? I would have put a 14 bolt corporate in the rear and at least a dana 44 if not a 60 in the front with a 205 transfercase.....just sayin...lol ...thats the truck puller talkin.. Oh almost forgot, Is this a year round thing or summer season only? Thanks Tim....AKA Turbo

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    I tried to repy with rig info but.......either I cant figure it out or ..........I couldnt figure it out. lol
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    I'll try again...It is a 1988 Hardtop Sami, With 36" swampers, 4:10 gears, toyota landcrusier axles, Lockrite locker in the front and spool in the rear, Nissan transfer case, YJ leaf springs with custom shackles and drop out boxes, Its powered by a fuel injected 4.3 chevy V6, and a 700R4 auto trans. It has an external cage, racing buckets with 5 point harness's, Back seats are racing Kirkey youth seats with 5 point harness's as well. it is titled and is street legal with working lights, and turn signals, wipers and even a heater! Just wondering how the drive line will hold up? I've dirt track race for many years and all we ever used were 9" ford full floaters. Ive truck pulled for a while so I know what it takes to have a strong drive line. So If I end up with the Sami it will more than likely end up with a 14 bolt corporate at least a Dana 44 front if not a 60, and a 205 transfercase. Unless the landcrusier stuff will hold up. I don't know how serious your trails are. So let me know what ya'll think...Oh and is this a year round sport or summer season only?
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    Brad, It is 88 Samurai hardtop. it is powered by a fuel injected 4.3 v6 chevy, 700R4 auto trans, 85 Nissan truck transfercase, and 1975 FJ40 Landcruiser axles, with disc brake conversion on all corners. Its 4:10 geared, spooled rear and lockrite locker in the front. Has YJ leaf spring, custom shackles and custom drop out boxes that alows it to articulate close to 4'. 36" swampers, Had exterior cage, racing buckets with 5 point harness's, the only thing Im not sure of is the axles and transfer case strength. Im use to working with 14 bolt corp's, 205's and Dana 60's that I ran in my pullin truck. This small stuff is ne to me and looks weak! ...let me know Were looking forward to to meeting great people and do some wheelin.
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    Here is the info from Turbo on his rig:

    This is what I just tried to post in the fourm...hit reply and it say something like "it has to be approved before it post" anyway Its a 88 Samurai Hard top sitting on 36" swampers, has a fuel injected 4.3 V6, 700R4 auto, 1975 FJ 40 landcrusier axles with disc brake conversion. I guess the front outer axles were swapped out to newer style wich gave it the disc brake and larger spline and birfield's. The hubs were cut and rolled to keep the caster driveable to give the needed pinion angle. Has a 1985 Nissan truck transfer case. 410 gears, spool in back and a lockrite locker in the front. YJ leaf spring custom shackles with custom drop out boxes that give it about 4' of articulation. racing buckets with 5 point harness's, external cage, It has all working lights, wipers, heater etc.... im just not used to seeing these tiny baby u-joints. Are these axles and transfer case strong? Im used to the real deal like in my pulling truck...14 bolt corporate floater, 205 transfer, and dana 60 up front...I'm just trying to get opinions on if this would work for the trail riding you all do. I dont want make the deal if its not strong. Any Ideas?

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    My reply to him is that I'm somewhat leery of a rig that sounds like is mostly all home built. The list of parts also kind of sound like what was laying around the garage. It could very well be a very nicely fabricated rig, but it could also be a cobble job and they are selling it because of the problems. There are several guys in the club with rigs like this but they also built them right and they have first hand knowledge of how everything is built and how to fix the parts if something breaks.

    FJ-40 axles are okay but not known for being bulletproof and parts are getting hard to find (I have an '71), and how did they mate a 700r4 to the Nissan t-case and I'm not sure how strong it is, and I'm not a big fan of most of those crazy drop-out type suspensions...that seems to be a craze of the early 90's when the RTI ramps came about.

    Again, it definitely could be a nice rig but I would want to see it in person.
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    Thanks Brad for the info. Like I said it doesnt seem to be a cobble job, The welds and fab work looks pretty good. But lm like you, if something does brakes where would I get parts. Thats why I was asking about durability and or the difficulty or extreme of the trails you all wheel on.
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    Here is the rig I'm thinking of buying...What ya'll think?

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    I like it. I`ll agree it doesnt look cobbled up. But there is a bunch of mixed parts in the thing. I`m a sami guy and drooling over what good shape the body is in.
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    I was shocked when h e told me about the external cage, and when I went to check it out, they actually did a nice job with the bends and welds...all the suspinion brackets, cross members, ect....are all nicely planned out...The engine and trans is a nice choice. The axle choice from what im seeing on you tube and off road sites seem to be what everybody is doing with these sammy's. The transfercase is what Im leery about..they bought an adapter to mate up the trans and transerfer so it must be a common thing to use???? The u joints just look to darn small..
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    Yea when I went to look at it for the first time I was kinda shocked. He had told me they built and external cage on it and I had this nasty picture drawn up in my head. But when I got there I was impressed, The bends are nice and smetrical and nothing is but welded. I know the engine and trans are good reliable pieces, the axles seem to be the way to go, as that seems to be a common thing to do. Ive burnt you tube up looking at these things. The transfer case is what I dont know about. Its a divorced case and the mated the two together with a short coupler. (about 3" long) So its a done deal, I'm going tonight to bring it home, I took it on a trade...will I keep it? I doubt it. I already have someone interested in trading a more streetable Sammy for it. Or I may just sell it. Don't know
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    i'm not positive, but i think some nissan pickups had divorced t/cases (brad's question about the 700r4 to the t/case). still not sure why they would have use offset rear ends though. unless maybe it's out of a patrol or something. don't know anything about those.
    b4 u buy this, have all 4 of you sit in it a little while. not sure how tall any of your family members are, but a sammy will probably be a very tight fit for 4 people. not to mention where would you carry anything (food, water, etc)?

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    yes the nissans up to 86 were divoorced. although the yota axles are pass drop and the nissan cases are center drop so it mus tbe clocked. Not sure why theyd take the sami case out and put a nissan case in? As they are both aluminum housing, gear driven cases.

    I run the nissan case in my tough truck.

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    Don't know guys....all I know is it is on my trailer in the drive way!....lol...not sure if Im keeping it or what...I gotta guy that is interested trading his tin top sammy that is more streetable but still has a lift 33" and 513 gears Lockers, ect. Stock motor with 65,000 k Its all stock drive train too. choices choices..
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    km4x4junker has a very good point on the enough room for 4 issue. Kids 6 & 11 will fit in back seat now (but they will grow). You will have no room for anything else. I like my sami but they are SMALL
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    Yes it is small, I'll drink to that! ... I can honestly say it will probably be just me and my boys... if you know what I mean?? lol.. "just sayin"
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    You might find some guys in that area willing to take a look at it. At minimum I would feel it out on some easy trails and work your way up.
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    Hey I`ve been divorced for 11yrs. Only have to worry about takin my 2 kids with me. Mine only a 2 seater right now, just recently picked up a back seat but not installed yet. Most of the time my son starts out with me, then he will ask to ride with one of the others to see what their rigs like. He has never been denied a seat. This club has the best people in it. If my daughter wants to go we just find my boy a seat with someone else ahead of time. Hope to see ya on the trails soon.
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    Be sure to bring some food on the trails. There are no burger kings-ect. Go on the novis runs first and get a feel for your rig. Chances are you will want to add [or take off] something. And bring bungie cords to make sure everything you bring is secure.

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    More Pics of the rig today just messin around.. Stretching Sam's legs a little.
    <dl><dt style="width: 744px; text-align: right;"><a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771">more pics &rarr;</a></dt><dt><a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-401.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-579.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-246.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-273.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-810.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-785.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-671.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-713.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;</dt><dt style="width: 744px; text-align: center;"><a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-214.jpg_m.jpg" border="0" /></a></dt><dt style="width: 744px; text-align: center;">Images posted using <a href="http://claspics.com/?ref=1">ClasPics.com</a></dt></dl>
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    Stretching Sam's legs a little today..
    <dl><dt style="width: 744px; text-align: right;"><a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771">more pics &rarr;</a></dt><dt><a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-401.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-579.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-246.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-273.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-810.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-785.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-671.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;<a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-713.jpg_t.jpg" border="0" /></a>&nbsp;</dt><dt style="width: 744px; text-align: center;"><a href="http://claspics.com/889/905771/13235....jpg.php"><img src="http://img1.claspics.com/889/905771/...-214.jpg_m.jpg" border="0" /></a></dt><dt style="width: 744px; text-align: center;">Images posted using <a href="http://claspics.com/?ref=1">ClasPics.com</a></dt></dl>
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    Looks pretty beastly to me. Let's see it on the trails!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAKEnBLAKE View Post
    Looks pretty beastly to me. Let's see it on the trails!
    I have a few things I want to do before I get it out on the trail. I need a winch, putting solid motor and trans mounts in it, putting fatory grill and headlights back in it. When is the next ride and where? Is there a rundown off where and when you guys go?
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