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    Frank & Billy engineering

    Ok, boy's and girls, I'm stealing from Cory. I also want a mild fairly stock trail rig.

    My neighbor was building a garage and I felt obligated to inspect the work and share an adult beverage. The contractor was there and shared in the refreshments. I departed and repeated the visit a couple more times. Then a couple of days later the contractor stopped by and I (being a good host) offered an adult beverage, he asked if I would be interested in a jeep. Being slow and not stupid, I said yes, what is it and how much? He replied 73 cj-5 drive train on a pipe frame he built, if you want it it's free. When can I come get it, He said " I'll delivery it. Well thought I " where can I hide this". But he wanted the tires, I had a spare set of boggers on bead locks in the shed, no biggy. And he delivered as promised.

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    The frame is 4" gas pipe using 90* & 45* bends. Under the tarp is a 304, t15, dana 20, dana 30, dana 44 and 4-5 boxes of parts, some new some used. A couple days later he dropped off a radiator(cleaned and painted). That's all for now, I have to email more pics from my tablet to myself, cause I can't add pics from the tablet.

    Keep in mind this project is financed by a slow fat kid

    Thanks yall, Ron
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    This is going to be fun! That's a pile of good parts sans buttsecs blue pipe boogie frame. I'm always amazed by the work people put into making the wrong stuff work.

    Excited to see where this goes.
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    Hey Ron, you can use that pipe frame to push Sami's out of the way. Its perfect!!
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    So, keeping in mind that I started accumulating the jeep stuff about a year ago, this may not be as entertaining as you think. I thought about what to do for about 6 months. And with no garage big enough to work inside of, the neighbor's, and no good place to hid the jeep, I decided to build something that looked like a jeep. The next step was to find a body. Enter facebook market place, 75 cj-5, spring over lift on 2.5" springs, fiberglass body(rough from abuse and the farmers), no motor(also original 304), t15/dana 20, with the exclusive option copper tubing brake lines. How much you ask, $1800. Final purchase price $1500. I went look at it, decided to think about it. I told the seller I'd take it, ended up triple booking that weekend. I wanted to go get the jeep, truck battery was dead, Jim shows up ready to go to Stillwell for the club ride(off weekend), I talked him into jumping the truck. I passed on the ride and headed for the gas station, truck stalled at the pump, only took me a hour to get it started. Took this as an omen and went home. I tried again next weekend and made the trip.
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    It also came with fenderwell headers, couple of spare body parts. to be continued. Ron
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    I always thought the CJ-5's with a V-8 was a cool rig. I remember being a kid and an older cousin daily drove a CJ-5 with fenderwell headers and glass packs, lift, 33" Ground Hawgs, full cage, and a winch. It was pretty rare back in the 80's to see a rig running around Ohio like that (nowadays it seems like every soccer mom drives a lifted 4 door Jeep with a winch...and of course a light bar). I'm sure that CJ-5 never saw a real trail ride when my cousin had it, but it sure looked good cruising the Wal-Mart parking lot!
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    The guy I got it from said the 304 run about 2 years ago, which means 4-5, and it smoked badly. I have a 350 chevy on the stand. the 3 speed is strong enough but a Muncie 465, 4 speed would be better. the big difference is the cost of the adapter and installation
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    I got interrupted I'll finish post later
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    There was a 465/203 on craigslist in the past few days. I assume that's what is needed to make a doubler with a 205 if you wanted to. Of course in a cj5 I don't think you'd have a rear driveshaft by going that route

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    I'd like to thank yall for reading this. This whole JOB thing just gets in the way of planning fun. If I were rich I wouldn't put up with that s**t. But I'm not, so here we are. I dropped the lift by going back to spring under. I did pick up a new (to me) pair of vice grips, holding the gas tank up.


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    I had to clean up the yard, so I sold the parts mixing to the wife as a home improvement project. I know she didn't believe it, but it worked and she didn't laugh. I combined the parts into this.

    to be continued, I only know how to upload one pic at a time. Ron
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    Ah yes the proverbial "4x4 parts are mutually beneficial" angle... I see you have similar success. Looks like you're making great progress, plus I love the wheels!

    Planning to stick with the 2.5" lift? I'm sitting on 4" CJ specific springs and have mixed feelings, on one hand the clearance under the transfer case anchor... shovel... etc. is nice but it "looks" too tall compounded with the geometry problems of that much lift I am wanting to go lower.

    I suppose how "stock" are you looking to be when she's all grown up?
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    I keep leaning towards 31's on stockish springs. or possibly removing half the spring stack for a better ride. But with the fiberglass body the roll bar is an ornimate unless tied to the frame. I really don't need another jeep like the one I have. I'm seriously thinking about keeping the T15 with a sbc, cheaper adapter. That'll keep the original offroad feel from 1973. But all options are open for now. I'll post a pic of the two jeep's merged tonite, Ron
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    thrashed for 3 hours, tadaa...

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    I don't see how the neighbors or the wife could not be proud to have that in your yard!
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    Ok, So one of the things I wanted in this build is to be able to flat tow it. I've been thinking of a full floating kit. Hopefully it be strong enough, if I keep the weight down on the jeep. Basically I had a set of front disc brake spindles to fit into the end of the dana 44 housing, I can align 4 of 6 bolt holes with plans to drill the other 2. I'll be running 6, grade 8, 3/8 bolts. The brakes will be using GM dana 44 1/2 ton mounts and calipers. The spindles were bored to fit the 1.25", 19 spline shaft. The 6 bolt hubs were machined to accept rotors on the back side.

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    Machined hub

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    Back side of spindle, I wish it had a taller pilot. With the 6 bolts it should hold.

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    I'm planning on running lockout's, but I've found drive flanges as well.

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    This is a preview of the front disc brake conversion.

    More to follow, Ron
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    I'm also debating to run a spindle support bearing to support the weight of the axle. Without it the hub will have to support the weight. With the spindle bearing alignment will be more critical. Inputs are welcome, Ron
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    I wouldn't get too excited about a spindle bearing for your FF axle. As a semi float setup the diff takes some of the forces from the axle and the hub shouldn't care too much.

    If the 6 bolt hubs are problematic I wonder if you could mimic the old warn FF kit using Chevy small bearing spindles and ford internal style hubs (rumors are that a specific year early bronco hub was used?). That would let you use 19 spline larger diameter spline sections or step up to 30 spline Dana 44 hub parts... but that's probably making a mountain out of a mole hill.

    Now you could run without an axle shaft seal and lube wheel bearings with gear oil... till it leaks all over brakes haha.

    Looking great!
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    Thanks. The concern with the spindle bearing is supporting the shaft. some hubs have a thorington bearing, while others only have a bushing on the gear that mounts on the axle shaft. The other option is to run drive flanges. The small bearing splindles are an option, that's what I'm running on the front of the wrangler. 79 ford f150 hubs and rotors will work for that. I want to run the same parts(well most of them) on the front and rear. I know the warn premium hubs run a bushing. I have the new 19 spline, 6 bolt hubs coming so I can see what they run. I need to decide on the spindle bearing before I order the axle shafts. Ron
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    I don't think I have seen a shaft support bushing in a rear FF setup before but seems like a worthwhile upgrade while its apart. Might be easy to just turn some out of Delrin or Nylon since it will be bathed in grease or oil.

    On the 6 bolt setup I have been trying to find hardware to secure the hubs that will not break/loosen and found these Stage 8 tabbed bolts.
    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/STG-8901/

    Ill probably snag some when I decide if I am going to run 6 bolt Warn Premiums or do the internal D44 style swap up front to match my rear FF hubs.
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    Thanks, I have to regroup and use larger hubs and spindles. I was told about a set of 19 spline hubs that I now know are made of unobtainium. So I'm going to plan better. Ron
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    Too bad you can't fit 3.7" bolt circle hubs. I think 70s ford Highboy D44s were 6 bolt 19 spline.

    I know Herm (overdrive guy) still does FF kits for willy's that use the 6 bolt CJ hub but in that application they use a 27 spline outer on the axle that becomes the weak point.
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    Sorry life's getting in the way of fun things. I figured 19 spline would be the smallest I'd go on the spline count. I'm going to start collecting parts for the internal spline hubs, The same set up I used on the YJ.

    Remember when all else fails, Measure with a micrometer, Mark it with chalk, And cut it with an ax....

    Ron
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